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- This is only a rough draft - Megan 04/20/92
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- Minutes of the FTP Extensions BOF at IETF 23
- Jordan Brown, 16 April 1992
-
- The mail traffic and discussion at the meeting basically involved people's
- wish lists for the protocol. Topics included:
-
- . passing "auxiliary" information about files - dates, etc.
- . automatic authentication
- . encryption
- . on-the-fly compression
- . checkpointing/restart
- . language selection for messages
- . message digest calculation
- . atomic store (FTP your nuclear waste to...)
- . various protocol cleanups/clarifications
- . more sophisticated conversions - character set, app, etc.
- . should write both a spec and an "implementor's guide"
- . time conversion issues - time zones, DST, etc.
-
- There was consensus that a Working Group should be formed, and when a
- deafening silence resulted from a call for volunteers to chair it, I
- agreed to. (Volunteers are still solicited!) Russ Hobby offered to
- host the mailing list and archives. The initial mailing list is the
- BOF attendees.
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- Mailing list: ietf-ftpext@ucdavis.edu
- Requests: ietf-ftpext-request@ucdavis.edu
- Archive: ucdavis.edu: /archive/ftpext-archive
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- No date was set for the next meeting.
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- Detailed comments:
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- . passing "auxiliary" information about files - dates, etc.
- The goal would be to build an extensible mechanism allowing a
- client and server to pass "auxiliary" information about files.
- Extended versions of LIST, RETR, STOR, etc would pass this
- information, and a new command would be added to change it.
- Matching client and server should be able to pass all of the
- information their native system supports; non-matching pairs
- would pass as much as they have in common. A major open issue
- is whether the data should be passed in binary as type-length-value
- or in some printable-ASCII form.
- . automatic authentication
- There are two basic ways in which authentication data might be
- passed at present - using FTP commands or, relaxing the spec
- a bit, using TELNET options on the control connection. It was
- suggested that authentication and encryption are big complex
- issues on their own, and that they be split off from the rest
- of the items on the wish lists.
- . encryption
- There was interest in encryption of both the data and the
- control channel. Encryption is tightly tied to authentication,
- and the two should probably be treated as a unit.
- . on-the-fly compression
- Some servers already implement on-the-fly compression triggered
- by variations in the file name. The patent status of LZW is an
- issue which needs to be researched and resolved.
- . checkpointing/restart
- Some attendees sought official blessing for Rick Adams' stream
- mode restart capability (present in some BSD clients and
- servers). It was noted that it is unclear whether or not this
- mechanism truly works for NVT-ASCII mode transfers. It was clear
- that the restart marker for this mechanism should be measured in
- data-connection octets. Implementing such a restart mechanism
- might be tricky on systems where the local<->network translation
- is not strictly invertible.
- . language selection for messages
- Seems pretty self-explanatory; obviously no system will support
- all languages, but support for multiple languages seems
- reasonable. This issue will come up in other contexts (SMTP,
- etc); perhaps there should be a more global framework.
- . message digest calculation
- The goal is to allow automatic mirroring of archives without
- having to transfer all of the data.
- . atomic store
- The disposition of the file resulting from a failing STOR is
- unspecified; a new command would require that the file be
- deleted if the transfer was not completed successfully.
- . various protocol cleanups/clarifications
- RFC 1127 lists several response code cleanups and
- clarifications. Experience with newer servers which make more
- extensive use of multiline responses indicates that not all
- clients can handle them. The syntax for multiline responses
- is apparently not clear enough; there has been confusion.
- Note that FTP multiline responses are more liberal than SMTP
- multiline responses.
- . more sophisticated conversions - character set, app, etc.
- An extended version of NVT-ASCII mode would allow for
- transmission of non-USASCII characters; a mechanism would be
- needed to specify what character set is in use and what
- translations should be applied. This issue has already been
- addressed in Kermit and the lessons learned there should be
- applied. A still more sophisticated mechanism to automatically
- do application-level transformation (eg Microsoft Word to TeX)
- would certainly be useful, but is obviously a very complex
- topic.
- . should write both a spec and an "implementor's guide"
- It was mentioned that FTP has numerous common pitfalls, and an
- informational document pointing out these pitfalls and suggesting
- implementation schemes would help implementors and improve
- interoperability.
- . time conversion issues - time zones, DST, etc.
- Once FTP is passing around time information (file modification
- times, mostly), it becomes important to know what the times
- really mean, so that meaningful comparisons and conversions can
- be done. One obvious answer is to require that all times be
- expressed in GMT, but that is awkward for the large (and ever-
- increasing) number of machines which don't know what time zone
- they're in. One scheme for dealing with this would be to
- provide a command which gives the server's current time with
- respect to whatever TZ it finds convenient; the client can
- compare this with its current time to determine the offset to be
- applied to other times. This requires very loosely synchronized
- clocks - less than 15 minutes difference. It's not clear
- whether DST confuses this issue - a file stored under DST and
- later retrieved under ST might have its times mistranslated.
- (Portable computers make time issues a nightmare.)
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